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Post  danielg on Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:32 pm

11. Regarding the lack of Darwinian quotes in Nazi literature or at Nuremberg, you are ignoring the controversial, see Jonathan Safarti's The Darwin - Hitler connection http://creation.com/refutation-of-new-scientists-evolution-24-myths-and-misconceptions-nazi-darwin-link
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The German-Jewish political theorist Hannah Arendt (1906-1975) wrote:

"Underlying the Nazis' belief in race laws as the expression of the law of nature in man, is Darwin's idea of man as the product of a natural development which does not necessarily stop with the present species of human being."

British evolutionist Sir Arthur Keith (1866-1955) wrote:

"To see evolutionary measures and tribal morality being applied rigorously to the affairs of a great modern nation, we must turn again to Germany of 1942. We see Hitler devoutly convinced that evolution provides the only real basis for a national policy. The German Fuhrer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution."

Alan Bullock (Baron Bullock) (1914-2004) wrote in Hitler: A Study in Tyranny:18

"The basis of Hitler's political beliefs was a crude Darwinism."

The book The Coming of the Third Reich (Penguin, 2003) by British historian Richard Evans (1947- ) also argues that the eugenics movement and social Darwinism gained wide acceptance among German elites starting in the last decades of the 19th century. Evans argued that this new secularist world view overturned the Judeo-Christian teaching "of the sanctity of marriage and parenthood, or the equal value of every being endowed with an immortal soul."

He documents that the German Darwinist philosopher Alexander Tille (1866-1912) strongly advocated the killing of the mentally and physically unfit and leaving congenital children's diseases untreated "so that the weak could be eliminated from the chain of heredity." Evans concluded that the Nazis' anti-Semitism and racial hygiene were extensions of this secularization of society.

It's hardly surprising that Nazi propaganda films showed strong animals overpowering the weak, and argued that humans should apply the same principles. One 1937 Nazi film, Victims of the Past, showed a retarded person accompanied by the narration:

"In the last few decades, mankind has sinned terribly against the law of natural selection. We haven't just maintained life unworthy of life, we have even allowed it to multiply. The descendants of these sick people look like this!"
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12. Regarding the atrocities of the church being overlooked:

Your argument seems to be "just like Christianity was warped to support racism, so was Darwinism." Our argument is that Darwinism's application to eugenics is NOT illogical or inconsistent, but a logical extension of it. That is the difference.

We are not covering up the mistakes of the often corrupt (Catholic) church, but rather, we are attributing those to error.

With Darwinism, we are saying that, like the logical extension of atheism into moral subjectivism and statist abuses, Darwinism logically leads, and has led in history, to eugenics, 'helping evolution along.'[code]

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Post  CaptainSpaulding on Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:39 pm

If evolution is the truth, then what does it matter that people misuse it? The fact that reality isn't to our liking doesn't make it any less reality.
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Post  Nicholas on Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:19 pm

"We are not covering up the mistakes of the often corrupt (Catholic) church, but rather, we are attributing those to error."

What a line. That's what they've been doing since day 1. Latest example? Pedophile priests. The reason it's still such a huge problem and controversy is because the (Catholic) church is covering it up and trying to sweep it under the rug. And you cite Creation.com as a reputable source? I guess that sums up your angle.

CaptainSpaulding wrote:If evolution is the truth, then what does it matter that people misuse it? The fact that reality isn't to our liking doesn't make it any less reality.

It matters down the road. If we let people propagate the lie that the Theory of Evolution leads to eugenics and racism, then it will lead to "evolution supports eugenics...evolution is evil...atheists are evil...evolution should not be taught in schools...creationism should therefore be taught in science class..." etc etc. You have to hit this kind of crap hard and fast, or it will snowball into something much, much worse.

It's sad when truth and reason have to struggle so hard for acceptance.
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