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Post  rev Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:22 pm

Anyone have any good debates to recommend?

After finishing RD's back catalog, I went out looking for more- listened to The God Delusion and God is Not Great and a started a few other atheist podcasts. Wanting even more, I've tried a few debates- Krauss v Craig, Price v Boyd, Hitchens v Craig, and Hitchens v Boteach. I feel like there was some Dawkins debate in there as well, can't remember with whom. I've been pretty underwhelmed by the debating skills of Krauss, Hitchens, and Dawkins. Hitchens and Dawkins are good for jabs and retorts, but neither seem to grasp the structure of a debate, rarely knocking out the pillars on which their opponent's case rests. This makes clowns like Price look good, even though I feel like I could refute his claims. Not sure if I can stomach another debate with the smarmy Craig without a principled smack down,

Just wondering if there are any debates with an honest and top-tier Christian/religious apologist and/or at least a debate where the atheist knows how to win a debate properly.


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Post  Aught3 Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:08 pm

If you're looking for a high-school style debate between the sorts of intellectuals you mention, you will be looking for a very long time. A scholarly debate is not about overwhelming your opponent with rapid-fire short-form 'arguments' but about laying out a persuasive case using sound arguments and solid evidence. I don't know of any atheists who use the high-school style, maybe Stenger or Tabash come the closest but I think that's being a little unfair to them.

On the other hand if you are just looking for verbal entertainment, Hitchens is definitely the way to go.

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Post  stooble Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:35 am

In relation to handling Craig I feel Arif Ahmed poleaxed Craig when he debated him at Cambridge. It is a debate that is well worth listening to and is a good though not complete model of how to deal with Craig. Ahmed also disposed of Gary Habermas without breaking into a sweat.


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Post  Nik K Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:11 pm

I agree the Ahmed vs. Craig debate is worth listening to. Ahmed's arguments are devestating to the opposition viewpoint. There's a good list of 500+ debates at

there are some good ones if you spend the time digging through em.

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